6.07.2006

Emaciated Vestiges of DanglyFloppers.....Take 2

....been another rough week, intended to have Jenny II finished by now, but, y'know.....there's life and bills and whatnot...what I wouldn't give to be independently wealthy....Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
...so here she is...recovering from her breast reduction surgery...I definitely like the less meaty look, works well for me now...also blended the left breast more with the shoulder area, so there is more of a flow there, feels less like the fleshy chest bits are just sort of thrown on there...
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...started texturing a bit too, the wire mesh-scales look nice, especially in the tummy area...did a little of the plastic wrap thing too but was less thrilled with that...will experiment more on my next go at her...
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...worked a bit on the upper-rear neck, and added the runic-celtic-veiny-seaweedy-flowy lines on her arms...at this point I can pretty safely say that she is done from the belly up (aside from last minute overall tweaking)...gotta do leg details, then hands and feet...not sure whether I should sculpt the webbing in now or add the webby bits after the finished puppet is cast...I think molding would be a lot easier if the webbing were not there, seems like it'd be easier to line up the armature in the mold at casting time...Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

...un-jenny-related sidenote....IMDB.com has finally added me to their listings, woo-hoo!! Check it out here...now you can all watch the listing grow and grow, and one day you'll be able to say "Ahhhh Jeffrey, I knew him when...." :D

18 comments:

Darkstrider said...

Yowsa baby! Jenny's lookin' HOT!!! Well, I mean.... aw, you know what I mean. For some reason I'm hungry for pancakes.....


Really though, fantastic job on the sculpt so far. A thought about webbing....
I'll sometimes leave a sort of webbing between the fingers of a sculpt I'm going to mold, just so resin can flow freely between all the fingers... sort of like a vent to help safeguard against bubbles, which in something as small as a finger can be devastating.

Not sure if you'd want to do it, or like you said, it might cause problems with aligning the armature. You might consider having the finger wires extend beyond the ends of the fingers, like claws, and then you can set them right into grooves in the mold. Then you'd need to cut them off after casting and patch the finger-ends. Again, not sure if it would be worth the extra trouble. Just a couple of suggestions to make things even more complicated for ya!

mefull said...

Goldilocks says... Just right!

I think you nailed it dangly flopper wise.

And a definite congrads on the IMDB listing - Woo Hoo!

At first I was going to say don't bother with all the texturing on the sculpt. You won't see it in the final animation anyway. Then I thought about it and I think you will see it. Most likely just bits of it when the light hits it just right. It will be subtle but it will add another layer of realism to the character. But what the heck do I know, it depends on how you light it and how you paint it whether it will show up. I like it – looks scary.

Jeffey Roche? You mean the guy who directed Spiderman 9? Oh yea I have known him forever – we are “close personal friends”.

Ubatuber said...

Spiderman 9? No way I'm taking sloppy seconds to Raimi, unless its Evil Dead (my wife and I have this great story all worked out, involving Ash and Sheila's daughter from the 'past'...the new Ash(ley)....tough girl Buffy style...more like Faith really).......oh who am I kidding....I'd do Spiderman in a heartbeat.........wait, that came out wrong....

ANYWAY...thanks guys...as for the texture, I hope it shows up in the finished product...gonna accentuate as much as possible with the paintjob, probably start out completely black then dry-brush progressively lighter colors...mostly greens and greys like the head...

I love the look of the silicone in Mike's recent posts, and may try it out with this here Jenny...I was perturbed at first 'cause I didn't think I was using a non-sulfur clay, but hey....turns out I am....at least that's what the package says....Van Aken plastalina..."compatible with silicone mold compounds. contains no sulfur"...doable? methinks its worth a shot...want to try foam latex too, not sure which I'll do first...will probably make a solid latex master copy, then maybe a second mold so I can experiment with both the foam and silicone without fear of contaminating or phutzing the mold with one or the other...won't happen for a while as we are trying to save money to get the hell outta dodge...might do a latex version with an armature so I can get started on my next wave of Jenny tests...

sven said...

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMNNN....

Congratulations, Jeffrey -- Jenny is looking top-notch. I'm really impressed!

...And hey, IMDB!

[Hm. Y'know, if you check my name, I'm in there too -- as "assistant animator" for "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath." I wonder if I ought to say something about that on my new "resume" webpage...]

Ubatuber said...

Hell yeah, mention it definitely, the suits love 'em some IMDB ;D
The page looks great by the way...I'll take a better look after I get some sleep and will respond to the email...

While we are on the subject of your Lovecraftian past work, anywhere we can see Madness from the Sea? I actually saw it listed on Unfilmable.com a while ago and meant to ask you about it...

I'm dying to make me a little stop-mo Brown Jenkin puppet....there are not enough hours in a day....

Darkstrider said...

Yes Jeffrey... I knew him in the Danglyflopper Days.....

Man, I can't get over how great she's looking! You need to make sure to get plently of lingering close-ups similar to these shots in the film... shoot 'em even if you're not gonna use-'em... they'll be great in the deleted scenes.

When you say a "solid latex casting"... do you mean liquid latex? I don't know about that. Liquid latex needs air exposure to dry... it isn't a chemical process like it is with silicone. You'd be much better off using a hard silicone... but make sure it's platinum-based if you intend to ever use Dragonskin or something similar in the mold later. Though you could go with a tin-based soft silicone like GI-245, which is compatible with everything... even sulpher!

Also, I'd test any painting techniques first on suitably textured stuff, to see if it will glop up and cover all that beautiful texture.

Ubatuber said...

...actually....my first Jenny was solid liquid latex....solid liquid?! ha.....yeah, she dried alright in a day or so but she had pour holes which helped, and I don't want to give this Jenny mold pour holes cause there's so much detail everywhere....so you're right, will have to consider something else for a temporary workable Jenny II until I can buy supplies....as for the paintjob, I usually paint in very thin layers, but don't know if I'll be able to do that with silicone/Dragonskin...have you tried out the painting yet? The paintjob is very important to me, I need a lot of freedom to mix colors and bring out the textures or enhance the puppet (like little veins)...

herself said...

Looking great, Jeffery. Great progress. What did you use to make the scales? I'd love to know onacounta my fishywench.

Ubatuber said...

I used a piece of aluminum wireform, 1/16" pattern though any size would work I think, if you want larger scales....sort of pressed it in and up, so the clay squished through on a downward angle...very easy to do, and you can bend and roll and fold the wire to get in the tiny places...

sven said...

Hm... I've been thinking about your plans to do a master-casting of Jenny. I'm wondering if the the master ought not be made of silicone? Theoretically, you could make both soft and hard molds off of a silicone master.

Do you know at this point what your mold is going to be made of?

...If it's going to be plaster or ultracal, then doing your master in latex might preclude doing Dragon Skin casts later on -- apparently platinum-cure silicones can be sensitive to latex residues.

It's tempting to suggest that you do a hard resin master -- Jenny's so sculptural. ...But then, I think you'd only be able to make soft molds off of her.

Ah, the conundrum. :-P

sven said...

Oh -- re "Madness from the Sea"... Right now I only have one burnt copy of it. The original file is freakin' massive, being 15 min long. What I need to do is figure out how to do "disk image" stuff. This is a project that's been plaguing me for some time. Other people want to see it too.

I don't think I'm going to be putting it up online, though. Although it did get shown at the H.P. Lovecraft Film Fest, there's copyrighted music in the film that doom it to obscurity. That's a mistake I'll never make again...

Darkstrider said...

A few unrefined thoughts...

You could do a skin of latex and fill with expanding cold foam. Of course, as Sven said, that would pretty much preclude later Dragonskin use.

Why the need for a solid version? Just to have and to hold? There's a tendency among newbies on the message board to always want a "permanent" version of their puppet, so they generally start by making a baked supersculpy sculpt, then they can't make a soft casting of it for a puppet. I know you understand the process better than that, as you've already done a soft sculpt.

I wouldn't want to make a casting of this sculpt and use the casting to make another mold from... you'd lose too much detail that way. A copy of a copy isn't very good. I'd tend to agree with Sven... if you want a permanent version, cast it in silicone. And unless your puppet is going to be made from tin-cure silicone, then it needs to be all done in platinum-cure. Smooth-on makes a nice (apparently somewhat harder) platinum-cure silicone called Sorta-Clear that can be pigmented and used to make paint for itself.

Hey, bay any chance do you have a widescreen monitor? You must, because on my dinky little monitor your blog looks kinds funky sometimes. Are you aware of this issue? I'll post a screenshot so you can see what us mere mortals see on your blog.

Ubatuber said...

No, not widescreen.....is it only the pics that are periodically funky? cause Ive started using Photobucket so I can post larger pics, but I occasionally have to resize the pics and I think some of them have gotten squashed in the process...not sure...may have to switch back to straight posting pics through blogger...a screenshot would be cool...

Darkstrider said...

Here, let me try this. Yeah, it's just the pics, including the one in your title. Hope this works...


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Ubatuber said...

ok, well I was going to do a master copy b/c I thought I'd re-mold, so that I could experiment with foam latex or silicone and still have a pristine mold to work with in case the foam latex didn't work out or damaged the mold in some way...was going to do an ultracal mold to start with, then a silicone mold of the 'master' latex copy, b/c i think silicone would pick up more details, so in theory copies from either mold would be about the same....just a theory though, guess it wouldnt work out that balanced...really the only reason I want to cast something now is b/c I'm impatient, dying to animate this new Jenny but don't want to have to wait for the money to buy supplies....especially considering the desire to relocate...money is very tight and bill rates seem to keep increasing (got a $200 electric bill the other day for one month and its not even the worst of summer yet), we keep having to spend the little that we are managing to save...I think we may end up selling off a lot of our stuff and moving in with one of the parental units to save for a bit...which does not sound like fun to me...AT ALL...but if its what we have to do......so yeah, I guess the best thing to do would be, finish the Jenny sculpt, put her aside under a protective blanket of plastic wrap, and try to keep busy with some other aspect of the film like sets, until I know for sure how I want to cast her...might even make room in the freezer for her so she doesnt 'wilt' in the heat...

Ubatuber said...

OK, WHOA! That is funky....definitely looks like a photobucket issue...guess I'll stick to posting through blogger...gotta figure out whats up with the title though, it looks nice on my screen (border same size as pic)....guess I'll try getting rid of the border, maybe adding a border permanently to the pic in photoshop and reposting it...

Ubatuber said...

have I mentioned I'm a code newbie? Thanks for the 'link posting'-SMA tip by the way....restarted the thread and added some other clips....still more to come...

Darkstrider said...

Yeah, I saw the new thread. Much better! This will become a classic. I'll add to it soon.